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	<title>Comments on: Nimbus L&#038;F Update</title>
	<link>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/</link>
	<description>Jasper Potts's Blog on Java and Life</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-890</link>
		<author>Alex</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-890</guid>
		<description>Hi Jasper,

First of all, great job on Nimbus, I really like the looks!  I've decided to use it as a LaF for one of the projects I am working on but I am running into a major issue with JTree rendering.  Surprisingly, nobody has brought this up before but even in the current WebStart demo you can see that JTrees aren't rendered correctly.  All you get is flat thin dark line on the left side of what should be a properly indented and marked tree.  Unfortunately, JTrees are crucial to the functionality we are working on :(  Any thought on when that part of LaF would be completed?

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jasper,</p>
<p>First of all, great job on Nimbus, I really like the looks!  I&#8217;ve decided to use it as a LaF for one of the projects I am working on but I am running into a major issue with JTree rendering.  Surprisingly, nobody has brought this up before but even in the current WebStart demo you can see that JTrees aren&#8217;t rendered correctly.  All you get is flat thin dark line on the left side of what should be a properly indented and marked tree.  Unfortunately, JTrees are crucial to the functionality we are working on <img src='http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  Any thought on when that part of LaF would be completed?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Ricardo</title>
		<link>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-858</link>
		<author>Ricardo</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 15:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-858</guid>
		<description>I really like this laf, but please, implement a one-click-expandable feature for the split panes; I think it is very useful for some people</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like this laf, but please, implement a one-click-expandable feature for the split panes; I think it is very useful for some people</p>
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		<title>By: Myrith</title>
		<link>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-856</link>
		<author>Myrith</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 18:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-856</guid>
		<description>I think the majority of Nimbus looks awesome so far. The only thing I’m not a fan of is the Indeterminate Progress Bar; the moving walnuts are strange and distracting. I do like the scrollbar though. It’s a fresh, creative look, and I don't find it awkward to use.

As someone else said, the stroke width of the rounded corners on the tabs do look too thick. It might be an issue with the 2D Graphics engine though. Horizontal and vertical lines are fine, but the engine's anti-aliasing makes everything else (curves, diagonals) look too thick for a 1px stroke width.

Variable widget sizes are a dream come true. I’m developing an applet that uses many GUI components, and screen real estate is important. (I was upset at how fat the arrow button on the Metal combobox is, even after specifying a combobox size.) And overriding UI methods is a pain. I'm glad Nimbus will make sizing easier.

I was thinking about using Synthetica for my applet, but it’s huge and has permission issues. So, I’m really looking forward to using Nimbus as a consistent, cross-platform GUI that users would feel good with. I’m glad Sun’s finally investing lots of effort in a L&#38;F!

(Oh, one more thing… Will Nimbus support a narrow title bar for the JInternalFrame.isPalette property? I find it useful.)

Thanks for your blog posts. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the majority of Nimbus looks awesome so far. The only thing I’m not a fan of is the Indeterminate Progress Bar; the moving walnuts are strange and distracting. I do like the scrollbar though. It’s a fresh, creative look, and I don&#8217;t find it awkward to use.</p>
<p>As someone else said, the stroke width of the rounded corners on the tabs do look too thick. It might be an issue with the 2D Graphics engine though. Horizontal and vertical lines are fine, but the engine&#8217;s anti-aliasing makes everything else (curves, diagonals) look too thick for a 1px stroke width.</p>
<p>Variable widget sizes are a dream come true. I’m developing an applet that uses many GUI components, and screen real estate is important. (I was upset at how fat the arrow button on the Metal combobox is, even after specifying a combobox size.) And overriding UI methods is a pain. I&#8217;m glad Nimbus will make sizing easier.</p>
<p>I was thinking about using Synthetica for my applet, but it’s huge and has permission issues. So, I’m really looking forward to using Nimbus as a consistent, cross-platform GUI that users would feel good with. I’m glad Sun’s finally investing lots of effort in a L&amp;F!</p>
<p>(Oh, one more thing… Will Nimbus support a narrow title bar for the JInternalFrame.isPalette property? I find it useful.)</p>
<p>Thanks for your blog posts. <img src='http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Nilojg</title>
		<link>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-840</link>
		<author>Nilojg</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-840</guid>
		<description>Hi.

I think Nimbus looks really great and I think your specifications are very detailed, so although is a work in progress we can make a good idea of the final result. I love buttons, radios, checks, etc, but I think scrollbars should be simetric, because their shape is very near to a tab.

Aparently, Nimbus will have three colors: bluegrey for the general background, blue for the details and orange for the progressbars. I like the combination, but, why three colours? Swing works with only two colours. Why more? If an application alows the user to change the colour scheme changing a metal theme it will have to options: to use an standard metaltheme and change only two colours, or to use an SpecialNimbusTheme and be an only-nimbus-laf-application. Because I suppose Nimbus will honour metalthemes and will allow user or application programmer to change the default colours.

My english is quite bad and I'm not as "soft" as polite english needs, so don't think I don't like nimbus, because in fact I like it very much and I think is a very promising work than will give Java a modern look, but if you are asking for feedback, I think that to make a laf as interchangable as possible is very important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.</p>
<p>I think Nimbus looks really great and I think your specifications are very detailed, so although is a work in progress we can make a good idea of the final result. I love buttons, radios, checks, etc, but I think scrollbars should be simetric, because their shape is very near to a tab.</p>
<p>Aparently, Nimbus will have three colors: bluegrey for the general background, blue for the details and orange for the progressbars. I like the combination, but, why three colours? Swing works with only two colours. Why more? If an application alows the user to change the colour scheme changing a metal theme it will have to options: to use an standard metaltheme and change only two colours, or to use an SpecialNimbusTheme and be an only-nimbus-laf-application. Because I suppose Nimbus will honour metalthemes and will allow user or application programmer to change the default colours.</p>
<p>My english is quite bad and I&#8217;m not as &#8220;soft&#8221; as polite english needs, so don&#8217;t think I don&#8217;t like nimbus, because in fact I like it very much and I think is a very promising work than will give Java a modern look, but if you are asking for feedback, I think that to make a laf as interchangable as possible is very important.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-838</link>
		<author>Adam</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 05:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-838</guid>
		<description>Sorry to chime in again...  On the scrollbars....  I really love the look, except for the scroll bars (as mentioned).  I think there is a bit of a usability hurdle (especially for more traditional business type applications and/or traditional users, for example).

I'm also concerned that while the scrollbars look neat (because they're different and "fresh"), that this gee-whiz factor will be one of those things that eventually wears off and will become an annoyance.  In my mind, it's the L&#38;F's most "radical" departure from traditional UI design and because of that, though it may come across good/fun/exciting at first glance, will be agitating with long term use.

Someone suggested a mechanism to control the amount of "curve."  That would work (at least from this developer's perspective).  I would hope a parameter to curve it both directions, or to make it square like traditional would be available.

There's so much to like about Nimbus, it would be sad if the look pushed the envelope too hard and was abrasive in any way.  New is good, but conservative is also good.  I believe it's a balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to chime in again&#8230;  On the scrollbars&#8230;.  I really love the look, except for the scroll bars (as mentioned).  I think there is a bit of a usability hurdle (especially for more traditional business type applications and/or traditional users, for example).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also concerned that while the scrollbars look neat (because they&#8217;re different and &#8220;fresh&#8221;), that this gee-whiz factor will be one of those things that eventually wears off and will become an annoyance.  In my mind, it&#8217;s the L&amp;F&#8217;s most &#8220;radical&#8221; departure from traditional UI design and because of that, though it may come across good/fun/exciting at first glance, will be agitating with long term use.</p>
<p>Someone suggested a mechanism to control the amount of &#8220;curve.&#8221;  That would work (at least from this developer&#8217;s perspective).  I would hope a parameter to curve it both directions, or to make it square like traditional would be available.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s so much to like about Nimbus, it would be sad if the look pushed the envelope too hard and was abrasive in any way.  New is good, but conservative is also good.  I believe it&#8217;s a balance.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikael Grev</title>
		<link>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-837</link>
		<author>Mikael Grev</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 18:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-837</guid>
		<description>Romain, are you telling me that real designers have used the Java2D API to create widgets? I highly doubt that but of course, one should never say never... If I'd guess the designers did the original design and developers has then translated this to Java2D. 

For instance, I highly doubt that the designers would make the right corners slightly bigger than the left corners in the buttons. This comes from a Java2D bug (probably) and Chet knows about it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Romain, are you telling me that real designers have used the Java2D API to create widgets? I highly doubt that but of course, one should never say never&#8230; If I&#8217;d guess the designers did the original design and developers has then translated this to Java2D. </p>
<p>For instance, I highly doubt that the designers would make the right corners slightly bigger than the left corners in the buttons. This comes from a Java2D bug (probably) and Chet knows about it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Spiewak</title>
		<link>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-836</link>
		<author>Daniel Spiewak</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-836</guid>
		<description>Personally, I think you're (jasper) taking a very good line on all these suggestions: minor tweaks not major changes.  Aside from a few extremely minor things here and there (such as the progress bars), I don't think you should touch a thing.  Implement the LAF, let everyone see how it's really suppose to go together, *then* we can complain about it.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think you&#8217;re (jasper) taking a very good line on all these suggestions: minor tweaks not major changes.  Aside from a few extremely minor things here and there (such as the progress bars), I don&#8217;t think you should touch a thing.  Implement the LAF, let everyone see how it&#8217;s really suppose to go together, *then* we can complain about it.  <img src='http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Gorazd Praprotnik</title>
		<link>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-835</link>
		<author>Gorazd Praprotnik</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-835</guid>
		<description>If we are asked to tell our comments about Nimbus, then I think we have right to speak out our feelings, regardless who've  made it. Nobody is perfect, so it is vise to listen other opinions. And frankly, most of comments are very convenient.

Gorazd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we are asked to tell our comments about Nimbus, then I think we have right to speak out our feelings, regardless who&#8217;ve  made it. Nobody is perfect, so it is vise to listen other opinions. And frankly, most of comments are very convenient.</p>
<p>Gorazd</p>
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		<title>By: Romain Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-833</link>
		<author>Romain Guy</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-833</guid>
		<description>Mikael and everyone else, please note that Nimbus was designed externally by a design company. It is used on Solaris as a GTK skin. It was created by professional designers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikael and everyone else, please note that Nimbus was designed externally by a design company. It is used on Solaris as a GTK skin. It was created by professional designers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ilhami visne</title>
		<link>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-832</link>
		<author>ilhami visne</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 02:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.jasperpotts.com/blog/2007/06/nimbus-lf-update/#comment-832</guid>
		<description>I'm making these days a lot of screenshots of my swing application. because they are all pixel based images, they can't be resized without quality loss. You said, this L&#38;F will be painted as vector graphic. Is it possible to add a method, which will make screenshot of any jcomponent and save it as a vector image?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m making these days a lot of screenshots of my swing application. because they are all pixel based images, they can&#8217;t be resized without quality loss. You said, this L&amp;F will be painted as vector graphic. Is it possible to add a method, which will make screenshot of any jcomponent and save it as a vector image?</p>
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